Dated: 14 December, 2005
Minutes of Meeting
Southern Enforcement Officer Group
Hosted by Chichester District Council
Imber Court - 02 Dec 05
Time Minute
Venue: Metropolitan Police Sports and Social Club, Imber Court, East Molesley, Surrey, KT8 0BT
10:00
WELCOME ADDRESS
Jim Lynn (Co-Chair) opened the meeting, and in doing so, apologised for the delayed start time caused by localised traffic problems.

Jim expressed his gratitude to Chichester District Council for sponsoring the event and thanked Shona Archer, and her colleagues, for all their enthusiasm and support in making the day possible. Jim informed the Group that St Albans City Council have agreed to sponsor the meeting to be held at the Metropolitan Police Sports & Social Club, Bushey, Herts on 10 March 2006.

Any Authority prepared to assist the Group by hosting/sponsoring future meeting(s) are asked to urgently contact Jim ( as of January, 2006 contactable at The London Borough of Hillingdon –see below ) or the Web Master, Paul Corbett, via www.seog.e-planning.co.uk.

Jim announced that at the end of December he will be leaving Surrey Heath Borough Council in order to join Hillingdon. In light of this the need of volunteers to assist in the running of the Group will increase as he is unlikely to be in a position to devote so much time to the Group and organising subsequent meetings.
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OPENING ADDRESS given by STEVE CARVELL
Head of Development and Building Control, Chichester District Council.

  Mr. Carvell formally welcomed everyone to the meeting acknowledging the work that goes into the preparation and co-ordinating of such an event. Nevertheless, Steve felt that such involvement, as that of Shona and her staff, had proved most beneficial in terms of team building/organisational experience.

Steve spoke of Chichester as an area offering a high quality built environment, the Local Planning Authority were accordingly constrained when considering applications for future development imposing appropriate safeguards/controls. He spoke about the prospect of the National Park becoming a Local Authority and the impact this is likely to have in terms of planning control. He also discussed unauthorised development, customer expectations and the need for reviewing approaches to the work of the Council.

Steve expressed his belief that the day ahead would prove to be both informative and enjoyable for all concerned.

Jim thanked Mr. Carvell for taking the time from his busy schedule in order to attend the meeting and for his most able address.

Jim then spoke briefly upon the subject of COVERT observations/enquiries, as controlled under the provisions of R.I.P.A. As a consequence of concerns voiced by certain members of the Group, and in an attempt to clarify matters raised, he had made direct contact with a member of staff at the Home Office. The informal opinion given was as follows, that unless covert enquiries are being carried out in furtherance of the prevention, detection of crime or public disorder/safety, no such enquiries may be undertaken.

(See notes of the presentations given by Linda Russell and Tan Ikram set out below )
10.30

LINDA RUSSELL – (Solicitor) – ‘Enforcement Notices and their Content.’ '

  Linda began her presentation with a brief commentary on covert observations/enquiries and agreed that conflicting advice has been given on the subject. Covert observations can be carried out on the grounds of National Interest and/or the prevention, detection of crime and disorder. This may also impact upon the duties of Environmental Health Officers with regard to investigations of food outlets/hygiene under grounds of public interest/ disorder.

Linda explained that initial enquiries into an alleged breach of planning control did not constitute a criminal offence. However, following the issue of an Enforcement Notice, failure to comply with the requirements thereof – dependent upon the facts of an individual case- an on-going investigation could be considered to fall within the terms of the Act i.e. prevention/detection of crime, necessitating the need for prior R.I.P.A. authorisation to be issued.

Linda then spoke about the law and guidance regarding Enforcement Notices and the purpose of taking formal Enforcement action. She discussed the need for obtaining precise details of land uses and ownership, the requisition of information and the powers associated with same – including the service of a Planning Contravention Notice.

Linda detailed the content of an Enforcement notice, the need to correctly identify the breach of control, reasons for expediency - relevant planning policies as approved in the Development Plan. She explained that it was best not to put all the policies in the actual notice but to include them as an annex or make reference to them in the document, detailing where the policies can be accessed. Whenever a notice is issued, an explanatory note must be attached, Linda explained that this was a requirement introduced by recent legislation . The note should contain a copy of the sections, right of appeal, fee(s), a list of names and addresses to whom a copy of the enforcement notice has been sent etc. Linda also stressed that ALL interested parties must receive a copy of the notice e.g. owner, occupier, mortgagee etc.

Members of the audience discussed issues relating to withdrawal of enforcement notices, the keeping of a public register and using Council websites to publish the list.

Aerial photography and authorisation from RIPA was also discussed and it was decided that as a general rule aerial photography would not need RIPA authorisation, as the activity would be unlikely to record private information about an individual, family or the home.

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Jim Lynn thanked Linda for her presentation. ( followed by informal discussion )
REFESHMENTS
12.15

TAN IKRAM – (Solicitor/Advocate and Deputy District Judge) –
‘An ABC Guide on Hearsay and Bad Character in the Magistrates Court.’

 


In response to an invitation from the Chair, Tan began his presentation by again referring to the matter of covert observations/enquiries as controlled under R.I.P.A. He explained that R.I.P.A. authorisation must be sought when undertaking enquiries as prescribed by the legislation. He stated that after due consideration, he felt that no distinction should be drawn between residential or non-residential premises in that information relating to a person(s) private life was likely to be gained.

Tan informed the group that there had been various reforms in the legal system over the past year. One of these was access to information about previous convictions. In particular, if a previous conviction is of the type being heard in the court or whereby an inference that a defendant or witness may have a propensity not to tell the truth, the court is now entitled to listen to detail of previous convictions. In reality, it would be unlikely that there would be a previous planning conviction. However, if there was a previous fraud/deception conviction, the inference may be drawn that the defendant had a propensity not tell the truth and could therefore be a material consideration in court proceedings. Tan also made it clear that similarly, in appropriate circumstances, previous criminal history of a witness could be brought to the attention of the court.

Tan discussed the importance of recording the primary disclosure schedule. Even if any investigative work produces a nil result, this should be recorded and filed. If there was no primary disclosure material, bad character information cannot be relied upon.

Tan informed the group about other reforms including the fact that courts now have the discretion to include ‘hearsay’ evidence and therefore, memory refreshing documents ( pocket book entries, statements etc ) may readily be used.

Tan discussed various topics with the audience including the importance of recording detail, including verbal abuse, in reports/statements and the advantages gained by Local Authorities in maintaining a central database recording convictions for breaches of planning control. (Such a data base exists for offences against Advertisement control)

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Jim expressed sincere thanks to Tan for once again speaking to the Group and for giving both an informative and highly entertaining presentation. Jim wished the audience to know that, in order for Tan to fulfil his commitment to appear at the meeting, he had been forced to make significant alterations to his diary culminating in his immediate departure to appear later in the day at Leeds Crown Court.

  LUNCH
2:00
DAVID WHIPPS – (Solicitor) – ‘Trees and the Law’

David began his presentation by informing the group that he had several years of experience as a Solicitor engaged in Town Planning work - having represented both Local Authorities and private individuals. David discussed the importance of trees to the environment and talked about the difficulties which may arise when deciding upon the ownership of tree(s). For example if a tree straddles a boundary, it may well involve a matter of joint ownership with the resultant need to notify ALL interested parties. He also spoke about ‘the problem tree’, for example the encroachment of roots into neighbouring properties, the ‘hazardous tree’ whereby circumstances of danger to the public or third party property is acknowledged.

David talked about Tree Preservation Orders (TPO), the making of the orders, their effect, exemptions to and penalties that may be incurred for undertaking unauthorised works. He added that every tree in a conservation area is subject to control i.e. requiring six(6) weeks prior notice to the Local Planning Authority of the intention to carry out works to the tree(s). Finally, David spoke on the subject of high hedges in relation to the Anti Social Behaviour Act 2003 and asked the audience of any practical examples of involvement in the new procedure.

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Jim thanked David for giving an informative and interesting presentation.

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In direct response to enquiries received, Jim discussed the option of changing the day of the meeting. As a consequence, a motion was voted upon by those delegates present and resulted in an overwhelming agreement to continue convening Group meetings on a Friday.

Jim then made special mention of Paul Corbett who undertakes the duties of Web Master for the S.E.O.G web site. Jim praised Paul for all his effort and dedication in providing a web site of such high quality– a unanimous round of applause was given by the delegates in recognition of both the hard work and continued enthusiasm shown by Paul.
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  REFRESHMENTS
3:15
JENIFER TIMOTHY – (Assistant Conservation Officer – Chichester District Council) –
‘Shop front Replacements in a Historic Setting.’



Jenifer gave an excellent presentation relating to the impact of shop front development within Chichester town centre. She explained that it was essential for shop and business owners/proprietors to be made aware of design criteria considered appropriate for inner town locations. This requirement was fundamental when dealing with premises situated within an area of recognised historical or architectural importance.

Jenifer spoke at length about the various facets of a typical historic shop front, highlighting features of design detail/colour. She went onto discuss the type of problems that may arise when dealing with issues, such as, various forms of advertisement signage, installation and positioning of alarms/security blinds/cameras etc. Jenifer concluded her lecture by highlighting the difficulties that arise when retailers wish to use ‘corporate colours’ in order to readily identify their premises. In such circumstances it is preferable to pursue a reasoned approach prior to the works taking place

Jim thanked Jenny for attending.

Jim thanked Jenifer for a most informative presentation, notes of which will be attached to the minutes.

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4:30

CLOSE OF MEETING

  Jim Lynn thanked the speakers who had kindly given of their time in order to make the day such a success and to all the delegates for attending.

Jim made a plea encouraging delegates to use the SEOG website which can be accessed on either www.seog.co.uk or www.seog.e-planning.co.uk .

NEXT MEETING Friday 10 March 2006 -
VENUE:

Police Sports Centre Bushey, Herts

Hosted by

St.Albans District Council


Dated: 14 December 2005
Speakers materials made available to SEOG Members
Imber Court - 02 Dec 05
Speaker Subject
Slides
Handouts
All readers should note that all materials kindly made available by speakers following a meeting are for reference to a particular topic presented at that specific meeting and they are not updated.
Linda Russell
(Solicitor)

- "Enforcement Notices and their Content "

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Tan Ikram
(Solicitor/Advocate and Deputy District Judge)
- "‘An ABC Guide on Hearsay and Bad Character in the Magistrates Court"
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Profile
David Whipps
(Solicitor)

- "Trees and the Law."

Awaiting
Jenifer Timothy
(Assistant Conservation Officer – Chichester District Council)
- "Shop front Replacements in a Historic Setting"
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